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This is a discussion on Next car, CLA45 or BMW M235 within the Mercedes-Benz CLA45 AMG forums, part of the Mercedes-Benz CLA Model Specific Forums category; Originally Posted by bens0n Nobody ever said anything about handling. If you are going to argue that an american muscle car with 500+ HP is ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bens0n View Post
    Nobody ever said anything about handling.

    If you are going to argue that an american muscle car with 500+ HP is all about 'finesse' over 'power' IDK what to say.

    Its a whole ideology, kind of like one man one engine.
    Umm yes it is about finesse... Have you read a single review? Know anything about the car? Certainly doesn't seem like it.

    And the CLA45 competes performance wise with it? In what way? A GT350 will literally chew a CLA45 to pieces in every single performance category other than maybe 0-30mph...

    And while I agree European care typically have more "finesse" than your average American sports car, I suggest you actually drive one. My father owns a 2015 Corvette Z51 and that thing not only has a higher quality interior, but it rides significantly better than my CLA45, not to mention having significantly faster acceleration, better braking capabilities, much better body control, etc.

    I think you need to A) read some reviews, and B) go actually drive something, because it really seems like you think it's still the 70's when American cars were all about drag racing :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Maher_AMG View Post
    Umm yes it is about finesse... Have you read a single review? Know anything about the car? Certainly doesn't seem like it.

    And the CLA45 competes performance wise with it? In what way? A GT350 will literally chew a CLA45 to pieces in every single performance category other than maybe 0-30mph...
    From what I've read the GT350 is comparable to CLA45 -- price, performance, etc... which is actually a let down given that it has 550 HP vs 380 HP CLA45 (facelift). But it's par for the course with American cars, big engine numbers sure... but disproportionate performance figures.

    GT350R, the track version is much more focused (no rear seats, no AC, etc...) and faster in every category. It'll chew a CLA45 -- sure. It will also beat an AMG GT-S as shown in the track numbers someone posted earlier...

    I saw these at the Chicago Auto show in February, fit and finish wise... it's a Mustang. The R is quite spartan and it's supposed to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bens0n View Post
    I would never DD a full on manual.
    Oh, what I would do to have a manual in my DD again. I would happily give up our POS DCT and a few tenths of a sec in acceleration in favor of a properly sorted MT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Maher_AMG View Post
    Umm yes it is about finesse... Have you read a single review? Know anything about the car? Certainly doesn't seem like it.

    And the CLA45 competes performance wise with it? In what way? A GT350 will literally chew a CLA45 to pieces in every single performance category other than maybe 0-30mph...

    And while I agree European care typically have more "finesse" than your average American sports car, I suggest you actually drive one. My father owns a 2015 Corvette Z51 and that thing not only has a higher quality interior, but it rides significantly better than my CLA45, not to mention having significantly faster acceleration, better braking capabilities, much better body control, etc.

    I think you need to A) read some reviews, and B) go actually drive something, because it really seems like you think it's still the 70's when American cars were all about drag racing :-/
    The last american car I owned was a 4th gen Camaro, and everything in that era that I drove was all about cheapest possible speed, terrible build quality etc. Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds, all the same. Things broke down on it like clockwork every year, eventually it became more expensive to keep repairing things falling apart on it at 50k miles, than buying an entirely new car, so thats what I did.

    Have never been a fan of american cars after owning that Camaro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clallan View Post
    From what I've read the GT350 is comparable to CLA45 -- price, performance, etc... which is actually a let down given that it has 550 HP vs 380 HP CLA45 (facelift). But it's par for the course with American cars, big engine numbers sure... but disproportionate performance figures.

    GT350R, the track version is much more focused (no rear seats, no AC, etc...) and faster in every category. It'll chew a CLA45 -- sure. It will also beat an AMG GT-S as shown in the track numbers someone posted earlier...

    I saw these at the Chicago Auto show in February, fit and finish wise... it's a Mustang. The R is quite spartan and it's supposed to be.
    A car that traps 117-120mph is in the same performance category as our CLA45?? I'm not sure I'm following you... 0-60mph is the only single measurement where the CLA45 is comparable. The GT350 is almost 9 seconds faster to 150mph... Over 4 seconds faster 60-130 mph :-/

    And that's magazine times; personal cars have already run into the 11's stock at 120+, and this isn't even the R model. 11.9's are half a second faster than even the face lifted 45 models. The 350 posted better 0-150mph times than a Stingray Corvette, and I can say from extensive seat time in my fathers Corvette that his car makes mine feel absolutely slow.

    Not to mention the magnetic shocks, significantly higher lateral grip, and the fact that in reality, a manual transmission is actually a detriment to a cars track and straight line performance.

    I Love my CLA45, but I'm no where near naive enough to believe it is in the same performance category as a GT350.

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    Next car, CLA45 or BMW M235

    Gosh the GT350 class are pretty and powerful machines ... wish they found a way to rid them of the gas guzzler moniker at purchase
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    I'm surprised anyone is mentioning the S3, then again I guess it's the highest spec A3 variant the US gets. The CLA45 competes with the RS3, the S3 is not even in the conversation

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR79 View Post
    I'm surprised anyone is mentioning the S3, then again I guess it's the highest spec A3 variant the US gets. The CLA45 competes with the RS3, the S3 is not even in the conversation
    I would say since the S3 is only a hair tick behind the pre-update CLA45's performance in every measure while being significantly cheaper and available with a manual makes it definitely worthy of being in the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Maher_AMG View Post
    A car that traps 117-120mph is in the same performance category as our CLA45?? I'm not sure I'm following you... 0-60mph is the only single measurement where the CLA45 is comparable. The GT350 is almost 9 seconds faster to 150mph... Over 4 seconds faster 60-130 mph :-/

    And that's magazine times; personal cars have already run into the 11's stock at 120+, and this isn't even the R model. 11.9's are half a second faster than even the face lifted 45 models. The 350 posted better 0-150mph times than a Stingray Corvette, and I can say from extensive seat time in my fathers Corvette that his car makes mine feel absolutely slow.

    Not to mention the magnetic shocks, significantly higher lateral grip, and the fact that in reality, a manual transmission is actually a detriment to a cars track and straight line performance.

    I Love my CLA45, but I'm no where near naive enough to believe it is in the same performance category as a GT350.
    going by C&D - let's pick 1/4 mile times... it's the same as the CLA45. Not sure where you got your numbers... maybe just got the GT350 vs GT350R confused because of the crappy way they presented the data. Published numbers compared to published numbers for the CLA45... it's apples to apples and very similar. The GT350R is another story but I never argued it was not better than the CLA45... it is. But it's also another price range and meant for track. Totally different marketing demographic.

    C/D TEST RESULTS (GT350/GT350R):

    Zero to 60 mph: 4.3/3.9 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 9.1/8.6 sec
    Zero to 130 mph: 15.3/14.5 sec
    Zero to 150 mph: 22.5/21.2 sec
    Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.7/4.5 sec
    Top gear, 30-50 mph: 11.1/10.3 sec
    Top gear, 50-70 mph: 11.1/10.1 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 12.5 sec @ 117 mph/12.2 sec @ 119 mph
    Top speed (C/D est): 175 mph
    Braking, 70-0 mph: 152/146 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.98/1.10 g
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clallan View Post
    going by C&D - let's pick 1/4 mile times... it's the same as the CLA45. Not sure where you got your numbers... maybe just got the GT350 vs GT350R confused because of the crappy way they presented the data. Published numbers compared to published numbers for the CLA45... it's apples to apples and very similar. The GT350R is another story but I never argued it was not better than the CLA45... it is. But it's also another price range and meant for track. Totally different marketing demographic.

    C/D TEST RESULTS (GT350/GT350R):

    Zero to 60 mph: 4.3/3.9 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 9.1/8.6 sec
    Zero to 130 mph: 15.3/14.5 sec
    Zero to 150 mph: 22.5/21.2 sec
    Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.7/4.5 sec
    Top gear, 30-50 mph: 11.1/10.3 sec
    Top gear, 50-70 mph: 11.1/10.1 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 12.5 sec @ 117 mph/12.2 sec @ 119 mph
    Top speed (C/D est): 175 mph
    Braking, 70-0 mph: 152/146 ft
    Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.98/1.10 g
    So you just listed all of the data that I mentioned that makes it superior... I'll even highlight it for you.

    Trap Speeds: 117 vs 110
    1/4 Timw: 12.5 vs 12.8
    0-130: 15.2 vs 19.2
    0-150: 22.5 va 29.5
    Grip: 0.98 vs 0.94

    And not to mention, the published times for the CLA45 are the Same as the best times for stock cars pretty much everywhere. On the drag strip, the CLA45 still doesn't improve upon its time even with extra group.

    And like I mentioned, private owners have gotten 11.9 out of the standard GT350 stock at a drag strip. The 4.3s 0-60 for the GT350 is not on a prepped surface...

    Not sure what you're not comprehending here... It beats the CLA45 in every single category... :-/

    It's not apples to apples at all. One is a dedicated sports car, another is a sportyish sedan.

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