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    Seems the two datasheets summarizes some of the changes you found out about M1
    The significant drop in MRV is like someone is preparing for global winters everywhere ... there goes the global warming kick ... 8-)
    But I love the tiny little "nissan gtr" fine print ... how nice of them


    p.s. - who knows maybe some manufacturers got on the bad side of some exxon dude and the formulation change was done to drop them from the list? or some other blundering business conspiracy we haven't seen yet, heh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmc View Post
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    .... and the formulation change was done to drop them from the list? or some other blundering business conspiracy we haven't seen yet, heh!
    …………………..
    With BMW & Chrysler off the list, what does the Amsoil label look like "Mikey."
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    Its like yeah right let me read the ingredients to make sure there are no allergens food coloring artificial flavors fillers etc and oh dont mind me I am just choosing my oil for my “baby”
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    Not sure how concerned I am about the reformulated M1's loss of some certs ( like , Fiat? seriously?)
    but I am surprised how many. JMC, Thanks for posting the label comparison.

    I was only aware of their loss of the Bimmer long life cert.

    It is possible that they just do not want to pay to recertify, altho in the Bimmer case, I cannot imagine a reason
    why they would decide to drop it, unless the new formula cannot meet it.

    The logical thing to do would be to read and compare the dropped certs with the remaining (demanding) certs
    such as the Benz ones, and triangulate the diffs. I will do that in the next few days.

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    Bevo notes the M1 is still certified

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmc View Post
    Bevo notes the M1 is still certified
    Sorry.. it is unclear what you meant. who is Bevo? Which certification do you speak of?
    Indeed the M1 0w40 still has all the MB certifications if that is what you mean.

    I recall reading that the BMW LL0* certs have a turbo test component (I can dig up the test code) which involves engine wear inspection.
    The new formulation currently does not pass this part of the test.
    I will post more detail when I find the reference again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coder View Post
    Sorry.. it is unclear what you meant. who is Bevo? Which certification do you speak of?
    Indeed the M1 0w40 still has all the MB certifications if that is what you mean.

    I recall reading that the BMW LL0* certs have a turbo test component (I can dig up the test code) which involves engine wear inspection.
    The new formulation currently does not pass this part of the test.
    I will post more detail when I find the reference again.
    Oh please do advise on that BMW thing ... seems like a more practical metric as it is usage and wear based.

    Bevo is pretty cool, it's the official Benz listings for certified fluids ( http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/index.php?language_id=1 )
    There's even a Bevo phone app with a scanner so we can go nuts at Wally World checking out all their oil bottles. 8-)

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    I cannot find the specific LL01 reference that detailed why M1 0w40 FS cannot pass LL01.
    I am actually a bit confused, it seems there may have been 2 reformulations
    (unless the posters are just confused between Visom and Gtl).

    Some people seem to say, that there was a reformulation a few years ago from mostly Pao based,
    to Pao + Visom (Visom is a XOM specific GTL variant) and as of now another, making the 0w40 FS Pao + GTL.
    I take this with a grain of salt, maybe it is not obvious to people that Visom
    and GTL is similar but not exactly the same. On the MSDS, these would both show up as branched iso-paraffins,
    possibly mentioning Fischer-Trops.

    Comparing the specs of the "older" LL01 approved oil to the current 0w40 FS, the latter is thinner, with a small
    drop in HTHS ( 3.8 -> 3.6) . Viscosity values are also slightly lower, although the VI remains almost
    the same (186->185). TBN is improved from 11.8 to 12.6
    (The minimum HTHS typically required by Benz and BMW turbos is 3.5)
    The the FS version looks more like a heavy 0w30 now.

    Not surprisingly all this results in slightly improved cold weather performance.
    Someone on BITOG did a VOA, and noted an increased Boron content.
    (Boron is an anti-wear additive, improving zddp performance).

    The key specs: ( New 0w40 FS 1st, old LL01 approaved 2nd)
    Sorry, could not find the NOACK volatility.

    Approvals:
    - API SN, ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
    - MB 229.3, 229.5, VW 502 00/505 00, Porsche A40

    Specs:
    @ 40�C .................................................. .....................70.8
    @ 100�C............................................. .........................12.9
    Viscosity Index............................................. .................186
    MRV at -40�C, cP (ASTM D4684) .........................................21600
    HTHS Viscosity, mPa�s @ 150�C, (ASTM D4683).......................3.6
    Total Base Number (ASTM D2896).......................................12.6
    Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874)..........................................1.3 4
    Phosphorous, wt% (ASTM D4981).........................................0.1
    Flash Point, �C (ASTM D92).............................................. .226
    Density @15�C, g/ml (ASTM D4052).....................................0.8456


    Versus the old M1 0w-40:

    Approvals:
    - API SN, ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
    - MB 229.3, 229.5, LL-01, VW 502 00/505 00, Porsche A40, Nissan GT-R

    Specs:
    @ 40�C .................................................. .....................75
    @ 100�C............................................. .........................13.5
    Viscosity Index............................................. .................185
    MRV at -40�C, cP (ASTM D4684) .........................................31000
    HTHS Viscosity, mPa�s @ 150�C, (ASTM D4683).......................3.8
    Total Base Number (ASTM D2896).......................................11.8
    Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874)..........................................1.3
    Phosphorous, wt% (ASTM D4981).........................................0.1
    Flash Point, �C (ASTM D92).............................................. .230
    Density @15�C, g/ml (ASTM D4052).....................................0.85

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    I cannot imagine any advantage for XOM to be not approved for LL01, unless they are actually unable to meet some aspect of the spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coder View Post
    I cannot imagine any advantage for XOM to be not approved for LL01, unless they are actually unable to meet some aspect of the spec.
    ..……………..

    coder & jmc,
    I believe you both have MY '14. With respect to time and mileage,
    when do each of you project replacing your ride? c...……….. jmc……………..
    Will your replacement be a MB? c...…………………. jmc…………………

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